Glenn McCarron
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You are now able to move or add dots to fine tune your shape but how do you delete a point. In 3DD you can right click and delete a node.
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You have two options - first, and easiest is to reopen the profile you saved in 3D Design Pro ( you did save it, didn't you?), delete the point and transfer it back to Woodturner PRO or two, wait for the new software where on the same screen you'll be able to move a point and watch the 3D vessel change shape.
The v3 upgrade cost over 40k and I had to stop adding features since all the programming had to be done by consultants. Thank God that software is locked forever.
I have written almost all of the new software and so I will be able to maintain and improve it myself.
Lloyd
The v3 upgrade cost over 40k and I had to stop adding features since all the programming had to be done by consultants. Thank God that software is locked forever.
I have written almost all of the new software and so I will be able to maintain and improve it myself.
Lloyd
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Glenn McCarron
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Thanks Lloyd. That is basically what I did do.
Looking forward to see the new program. Will there be an ability to rotate or look inside a piece that has been made using different wood colour segments?
Looking forward to see the new program. Will there be an ability to rotate or look inside a piece that has been made using different wood colour segments?
Yes, you will be able to go inside a vessel to look around as you will see in the attachment. It is quite interesting to look up from the very bottom of a bowl to see what a spider's viewpoint could be.
Unfortunately, the 3D environment isn't like SketchUp where you can use a projected image to paint opposing surfaces with an image to see what the ring will look like after turning. So far, the 3D libraries I've found only let you apply a texture and their library positions it. This is a very important issue to me, though, and I hope to find a way to use projected images - even if it means writing code at a lower level to gain positioning control on my terms. It certainly won't be on the initial release, though, and there's a chance that it simply won't be possible.
What I think will be possible, though, is to export bowls from this new software and open them in SketchUp. I was rather amused at the last AAW magazine where they had an article on how to make a segmented bowl design in SketchUp. Having done that many times and as you know yourself, you should only give this a try if you're very proficient at SketchUp and if you have about 20-40 minutes to kill. And if you need to make the slightest change, you have to start over from scratch. I appreciate that they finally ran an article about segmenting. It's just too bad that they didn't print anything of value to segmenters. Once I add the .obj export feature, it will take me about 20 seconds to have any segmented bowl in SketchUp.
Lloyd
Unfortunately, the 3D environment isn't like SketchUp where you can use a projected image to paint opposing surfaces with an image to see what the ring will look like after turning. So far, the 3D libraries I've found only let you apply a texture and their library positions it. This is a very important issue to me, though, and I hope to find a way to use projected images - even if it means writing code at a lower level to gain positioning control on my terms. It certainly won't be on the initial release, though, and there's a chance that it simply won't be possible.
What I think will be possible, though, is to export bowls from this new software and open them in SketchUp. I was rather amused at the last AAW magazine where they had an article on how to make a segmented bowl design in SketchUp. Having done that many times and as you know yourself, you should only give this a try if you're very proficient at SketchUp and if you have about 20-40 minutes to kill. And if you need to make the slightest change, you have to start over from scratch. I appreciate that they finally ran an article about segmenting. It's just too bad that they didn't print anything of value to segmenters. Once I add the .obj export feature, it will take me about 20 seconds to have any segmented bowl in SketchUp.
Lloyd
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Glenn McCarron
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Looks and sounds amazing Lloyd. When do you anticipate releasing the program?
I've got a brief time slot at the opening ceremony of the Segmented Woodturners Symposium which is the last weekend in October at Boston where I'll give a quick demo and the have a booth for the remainder of the Symposium. I'm not sure if I'll be taking orders there or not. There's still a lot of work to be done, but I'm hopeful that all the hard parts are done. As far as I can tell, all of the graphics and calculations are working correctly. I don't know what the price is going to be yet, but there will be introductory pricing and anyone that has bought the existing software since July will get a free copy.
As an experiment today, I wanted to see how long it would take to create a cremation urn sized for a 230 pound person. I went to Google images, copied an image io the profile canvas, selected 10" tall and used six clicks to create the wall profile and my completed bowl was then displayed. With a single click, I changed all of the default rows to 3/4", another keystroke to switch to a palette of exotic woods, another keystroke to change the number of segments to 16 per row which automatically adjusted all five elements of the feature group, and one keystroke to move the feature ring group one ring lower in the design which then showed me exactly what the finished height and width of the feature segment had to be. Since the cubic inches was 183, I clicked the bowl height button three times, proportionally expanding the vessel until the cubic inches read 232. I then printed the Summary, sorted by board width and segment edge length. I even printed a sheet of adhesive labels to go on baggies for the individual rows.
Design time, start-to-finish: 52 seconds.
With the plan now saved in the database, I can reopen the plan and apply it to any of the saved profiles. The new vessel will be shown instantly with the feature group having been moved to the widest point of the new profile.
As you can probably tell, I've been thinking about this software for a long, long time.
Lloyd
As an experiment today, I wanted to see how long it would take to create a cremation urn sized for a 230 pound person. I went to Google images, copied an image io the profile canvas, selected 10" tall and used six clicks to create the wall profile and my completed bowl was then displayed. With a single click, I changed all of the default rows to 3/4", another keystroke to switch to a palette of exotic woods, another keystroke to change the number of segments to 16 per row which automatically adjusted all five elements of the feature group, and one keystroke to move the feature ring group one ring lower in the design which then showed me exactly what the finished height and width of the feature segment had to be. Since the cubic inches was 183, I clicked the bowl height button three times, proportionally expanding the vessel until the cubic inches read 232. I then printed the Summary, sorted by board width and segment edge length. I even printed a sheet of adhesive labels to go on baggies for the individual rows.
Design time, start-to-finish: 52 seconds.
With the plan now saved in the database, I can reopen the plan and apply it to any of the saved profiles. The new vessel will be shown instantly with the feature group having been moved to the widest point of the new profile.
As you can probably tell, I've been thinking about this software for a long, long time.
Lloyd
Glenn McCarron
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It sounds pretty impressive. I usually work in my shop in the daytime and work at my desk in the evenings tinkering with designs and shapes. I can spend hours doing this. Now your telling me 52 seconds should do it! What am I going to do now? LOL
Mike, you, Stuart and Glenn are absolutely on my list and I hope to have something ready pretty soon. I plan to post a video soon showing the new software and what I'm attempting to accomplish with it.
Glenn, I actually do have a bit of concern as you have mentioned. Letting the computer do so much of the work will get you to the end line much faster and with much less effort. Having done so many club presentations over the year I've learned some things that have been troubling. I always ask those who have never made a segmented vessel their reasons for not trying it. The most common answer is that it looks difficult and like too much work. So I think the way to attract more turners to segmenting is to remove the 'too difficult' barrier. I want the software to be so easy to use that you can sit down and without training be able to make simple or complex bowls in a couple minutes. That's why I'm going to insist on keeping the 95% rule - the software should be able to make 95% of the bowls that are made every day. I'll keep a list of feature requests, but if it is a feature that wouldn't be found in 95%, I won't add to the user interface anything that makes using it more difficult.
There are a lot more things I can do with the software that falls within this rule so coming up with upgrades will not be an issue.
Glenn, I actually do have a bit of concern as you have mentioned. Letting the computer do so much of the work will get you to the end line much faster and with much less effort. Having done so many club presentations over the year I've learned some things that have been troubling. I always ask those who have never made a segmented vessel their reasons for not trying it. The most common answer is that it looks difficult and like too much work. So I think the way to attract more turners to segmenting is to remove the 'too difficult' barrier. I want the software to be so easy to use that you can sit down and without training be able to make simple or complex bowls in a couple minutes. That's why I'm going to insist on keeping the 95% rule - the software should be able to make 95% of the bowls that are made every day. I'll keep a list of feature requests, but if it is a feature that wouldn't be found in 95%, I won't add to the user interface anything that makes using it more difficult.
There are a lot more things I can do with the software that falls within this rule so coming up with upgrades will not be an issue.
Lloyd, This is going to be taking some of the more tedious tasks out and leaving time for the fun stuff. Thanks for all the work you do in keeping up on the current package as well as the new software.
Stuart
Stuart
Looking forward to see the new software
I agree with you Lloyd. Many in our club thought segmented bowls were to complex to make. It was the planning that they dreaded. Then we sit down with WTP, and your current software eased a lot of concerns. I still discuss some basics from Tibbit's book regarding the trig part of planning and how the software eliminates that. Along with how simple it is to make changes to design compared to draft paper.
I still believe WTP is the gold standard in segmented bowl planning. I am so glad I chose WTP.
I still believe WTP is the gold standard in segmented bowl planning. I am so glad I chose WTP.
I really the 3d view of the bowl both inside and out and the ability to switch color pallets.