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3D Design Pro-->WTP-->Segment Pro

Third_Son

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Is the above workflow possible? It would be nice to find a shape, import into 3D DP, transfer this design to WTP and then bring the finished dimensions into Segment Pro to see how feature rings etc. look with the design. Any way to do this?
 
There is no way to import a WTP file to SP or a SP file to WTP.
So the short answer is no, the workflow of 3DDP to WTP to SP will not work.

Best that I can think of is do a profile in 3DDP
import profile into WTP, build your vessel, do a PrtSc to capture image to clipboard
In SP use the =/- image, paste from clipboard, clip to size, draw profile lines in profile view.
The problem is SP is rules based and builds a vessel using those rules. WTP is not rules based.
You currently can't have different height rings in SP (excluding feature ring), different segment numbers, etc.

I have designed some vessels in SP. Taken the summary sheet and used it to build the vessel in WTP. I then can tweak the design in WTP. WTP gives you full control over each ring.
 
Mike’s right. It isn’t possible but here’s a little detail behind it…

There was never any intention to share files between the software. Yes, they both allow you to design segmented vessels but they have almost nothing in common. In 3D Design Pro, you MUST draw both the inside and outside profiles but in Segment PRO, you can only draw the outside profile and the software creates the inside profile as it is rendering the bowl.

There is literally nothing in common between Woodturner PRO and Segment PRO. If you open a .wtp file (it is a text file), you’ll see a record for every row with all the details about each row. Segment PRO doesn’t know and doesn’t care about individual rows because it builds your bowl on the fly based on the type of bowl you’re building, the height of the bowl, the outside profile of the bowl and the contents of about 20 variable fields - none of which have any use by Woodturner PRO.

I would have never written a second program that works like Woodturner PRO. Woodturner PRO is the most powerful software ever written for segmenters but because you have to do all the work, it is slow and harder to learn. I wrote Segment PRO purely to allow the software to do all the heavy lifting for you by giving it the minimum information it needs to build your bowl which it does instantaneously from scratch after every keystroke you make.

Does this mean I couldn’t create a .wtp file from the completed Segment PRO vessel? Of course not. But if you don’t start in 3D Design Pro, you lose the one feature of Woodturner PRO that makes it faster - the Profile SNAP. This means that you would move a plan from software that instantly does all the work for you to one that makes you do all the resizing of every inside and outside profile of every row. You would do this one time and never do it again.

The key is to learn Woodturner PRO. Once you learn 3D Design Pro and the Woodturner PRO keyboard shortcuts, you can build a bowl pretty fast. Once you get fast, you simply need to make a simple decision when you start a new project. If you are making a standard segmented bowl, use Segment PRO and take the summary to the shop in minutes. If you want to customize the vessel to the point where it isn’t standard, use Woodturner PRO because you can’t do non-standard things in Segment PRO because I would have to add so much user interface and the coding would be so complicated that I wouldn’t even start coding it.

So I hope that helps. I have to say that the year I spent designing Segment PRO to fill a void left by Woodturner PRO has worked exactly as I had hoped and I estimate that 75% of my customers that own both, choose Segment PRO whenever possible.

Lloyd
 
There is no way to import a WTP file to SP or a SP file to WTP.
So the short answer is no, the workflow of 3DDP to WTP to SP will not work.

Best that I can think of is do a profile in 3DDP
import profile into WTP, build your vessel, do a PrtSc to capture image to clipboard
In SP use the =/- image, paste from clipboard, clip to size, draw profile lines in profile view.
The problem is SP is rules based and builds a vessel using those rules. WTP is not rules based.
You currently can't have different height rings in SP (excluding feature ring), different segment numbers, etc.

I have designed some vessels in SP. Taken the summary sheet and used it to build the vessel in WTP. I then can tweak the design in WTP. WTP gives you full control over each ring.
Thank you for this reply. I was thinking of doing the same thing in order to make different patterns and seeing this reply tells me it is possible and also not such a silly thought!:):)
 
Is the above workflow possible? It would be nice to find a shape, import into 3D DP, transfer this design to WTP and then bring the finished dimensions into Segment Pro to see how feature rings etc. look with the design. Any way to do this?
I just purchased the full software suite. Thanks for the 30 day trial. It was very helpful.
 
Sorry if I'm suppose to post this somewhere else. I just watched a YouTube seminar that Lloyd did with the New England Wood Turners group which was very helpful in explaining several things that I missed earlier in my using of the software suite. He mentioned a viewer that could show the 3D Design Pro files in their native format. That is very helpful but I didn't catch what software he was using and/or how to set it up. Any more information on that item would be appreciated.

Thx,
Dan
 
Sorry if I'm suppose to post this somewhere else. I just watched a YouTube seminar that Lloyd did with the New England Wood Turners group which was very helpful in explaining several things that I missed earlier in my using of the software suite. He mentioned a viewer that could show the 3D Design Pro files in their native format. That is very helpful but I didn't catch what software he was using and/or how to set it up. Any more information on that item would be appreciated.

Thx,
Dan

Hi Dan.
Could you post a link to the Youtube vid you were watching? I have not seen in and not sure exactly what Lloyd was referring to in viewing the 3DDP files in their native format. I would be interested in viewing the vid.

You could send Lloyd an email and ask him.

I know in the past Lloyd as talked about using IrfanView. IrfanView is an image viewer, editor, organizer and converter program for Microsoft Windows. I don't think that is the program he was talking about.
 
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