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Question about Segment Pro

PaulHigg

PRO Member
Hello, first post. I'm not sure which piece of software I need. Segment Pro or Woodturner PRO.

After seeing the screen summary for both I'm a little confused because one shows fractions and one shows decimals.

What I really need is a printout that will tell me in fractions what the width of the wood is, the angle and or the wedgie to use, and distance from the blade to set the stop would be.

Many thanks. Depending on the answers I'll be buying one or the other.

Paul
 

mfisher

Super Moderator
Staff member
Hi Paul.
I use both WTP and SP. Both have their place in designing a segmented vessel.

WTP allows full design control of your segmented vessel. Going to File / Options you can choose 5 options for measurement output.
Imperial decimal inch, nearest 1/64, 1/32, 1/16 and metric decimal millimeters.

SP uses design principles so the software does some of the settings. You do not have full control of each ring. Going to Setting / User Options the choice is Imperial decimal inches or metric.

Not trying to up sell. Over the years I have found I use both WTP and SP. The best purchase is the full suite of software. If you don't go that way I would go with having both WTP and SP.

This vid explains the differences between the two programs.

 

PaulHigg

PRO Member
Thanks you sir. I watched that video last night but it’s quite old. He mentioned that he was going to make many changes. I’m hesitant to spend that much for the full suite. At present I just need something simple. I’m good at turning but some PC software has a steep learning curve. All I need is the measurements outputted so I know how thick, wide, and far from the blade with the wedgie sled. I’m going to be buying one today but not sure which one. I appreciate you taking the time to help.
Best regards, Paul.
 

mfisher

Super Moderator
Staff member
If you want full control of your design go with WTP. Doing detailed designs that some SW Indian designs call for is a bit of work in WTP compared to SP. WTP is easier to change wall thickness. Both give you the cut list you need for the project.

Lloyd makes it easy for you to decide. Download both programs. You can use them for 30 days for free. The software is fully functional. You can uninstall the one you don't plan to keep.
 

PaulHigg

PRO Member
Hello. I just installed Segment Pro and Woodturner Pro.

While watching the first video on Segment Pro I was impressed with it. I'm a novice, there's no way I could at present create some of those intricate designs.

Anyway, I'd buy it right now except for one thing, it's all decimals. Who works in wood in decimals? I don't and can't imagine having to convert everything. Why couldn't whoever wrote this program have it shown in fractions?

I then looked at WTP and it was so confusing I had to just shut it down. I really don't understand what WTP does, and from the interface it looks very old, no offense. Also, in WTP when I went to summary the columns were all compressed and truncated. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to print properly and I have a 54 inch screen. I'm going to watch the rest of the videos after I type this.

Please don't take offense at my post, I'd love to use Segment Pro.
 

mfisher

Super Moderator
Staff member
Hello. I just installed Segment Pro and Woodturner Pro.

While watching the first video on Segment Pro I was impressed with it. I'm a novice, there's no way I could at present create some of those intricate designs.

Anyway, I'd buy it right now except for one thing, it's all decimals. Who works in wood in decimals? I don't and can't imagine having to convert everything. Why couldn't whoever wrote this program have it shown in fractions?

I then looked at WTP and it was so confusing I had to just shut it down. I really don't understand what WTP does, and from the interface it looks very old, no offense. Also, in WTP when I went to summary the columns were all compressed and truncated. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to print properly and I have a 54 inch screen. I'm going to watch the rest of the videos after I type this.

Please don't take offense at my post, I'd love to use Segment Pro.

I actually have gotten away from fractions. My digital caliper can do fractions, decimal and metric.

As far as WTP. It was Lloyd's first segment planning software. The printing issue has been addressed in other threads you can search. One thing I do is export the summary file and bring it into excel (spreadsheet) program. Solves the printing issue.

WTP gives you full control of the design. You can modify each ring. SP does not. Each has it plusses and minuses.

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Lloyd Johnson in another post said: "
he S.E.L. (Segment Edge Length) is shown in decimal inches unless you have changed the setting to use milimeters.

Fractions are no longer used for a variety of reasons, first on the list is that desktop computers are being replaced with laptops and tablets and increasingly, keyboards are being deleted because touch screens and screen-based keyboards are becoming more prevalent. The fields used for data are all numeric fields because you can increment/decrement them by clicking on arrows. Fractions are text characters, though, so they cannot be used in a modern user interface.

Once you've used digital inches, you'll wonder why you didn't switch years ago. It is more accurate and far simpler. The key is to get a micrometer that measures in decimal inches and also get a ruler or tape measure that has fraction on one edge and digital inches on the other.

Finally, the rest of the world has been using digital numbers instead of fractions, well, forever. If we're ever going to get to a universal measurement system (should have happened years ago, moving to decimal inches from fractions if a major first step.
 

PaulHigg

PRO Member
I actually have gotten away from fractions. My digital caliper can do fractions, decimal and metric.

As far as WTP. It was Lloyd's first segment planning software. The printing issue has been addressed in other threads you can search. One thing I do is export the summary file and bring it into excel (spreadsheet) program. Solves the printing issue.

WTP gives you full control of the design. You can modify each ring. SP does not. Each has it plusses and minuses.

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Lloyd Johnson in another post said: "
he S.E.L. (Segment Edge Length) is shown in decimal inches unless you have changed the setting to use milimeters.

Fractions are no longer used for a variety of reasons, first on the list is that desktop computers are being replaced with laptops and tablets and increasingly, keyboards are being deleted because touch screens and screen-based keyboards are becoming more prevalent. The fields used for data are all numeric fields because you can increment/decrement them by clicking on arrows. Fractions are text characters, though, so they cannot be used in a modern user interface.

Once you've used digital inches, you'll wonder why you didn't switch years ago. It is more accurate and far simpler. The key is to get a micrometer that measures in decimal inches and also get a ruler or tape measure that has fraction on one edge and digital inches on the other.

Finally, the rest of the world has been using digital numbers instead of fractions, well, forever. If we're ever going to get to a universal measurement system (should have happened years ago, moving to decimal inches from fractions if a major first step.
Thanks. That answers that. This software isn’t for me then. I’m sorry I’m not like the rest of y’all, I refuse to use decimals. Thanks anyway, it looked so good too.
I guess I’m old fashioned and have no desire to change.
 

Lloyd Johnson

Administrator
Staff member
Hello. I just installed Segment Pro and Woodturner Pro.

While watching the first video on Segment Pro I was impressed with it. I'm a novice, there's no way I could at present create some of those intricate designs.

Anyway, I'd buy it right now except for one thing, it's all decimals. Who works in wood in decimals? I don't and can't imagine having to convert everything. Why couldn't whoever wrote this program have it shown in fractions?

I then looked at WTP and it was so confusing I had to just shut it down. I really don't understand what WTP does, and from the interface it looks very old, no offense. Also, in WTP when I went to summary the columns were all compressed and truncated. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to print properly and I have a 54 inch screen. I'm going to watch the rest of the videos after I type this.

Please don't take offense at my post, I'd love to use Segment Pro.
Hi Paul,

I just answered your fraction/decimal questions in a different thread but want to answer your question about the columns in the summary.

You have an incorrect setting in your Display Preferences where you have increased a percentage from 100%, probably to make text easier to read and doing this will make any software written using Microsoft Development System difficult or impossible to use. There is another way to handle readability and I’ll be glad to assist you if you send me an email or call me. I can talk you through it or do it for you if you install Zoom video.

With Zoom, I can also give you help on using Woodturner PRO. In 15 minutes, you’ll be able to use that software to do whatever you want. It will never be as easy as Segment PRO which is why I wrote that software. More segmenters around the world have used Woodturner PRO than any other software, including Segment PRO since WTP has been the standard since 2001 when I released it.

The only other software I’m aware of for segmenting is Segmented Project Planner and I suggest you look at that as well as it does do fractions.

Lloyd
lloyd@woodturnerpro.com
503-781-5117
 
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