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09 - Using Lamination PRO with Segment PRO

Lloyd Johnson

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Although you can make your feature ring segments using hundreds of different methods, there is no simpler way of designing them than using Lamination PRO. The key is knowing the two important dimensions that you have to know before you start using Lamination PRO: the height and width of the feature ring segment.

REMEMBER: the Segment Edge Length from Segment PRO must be the same as the Repeating Unit from Lamination PRO and the thickness of the feature row must be the number that you use for the 'Export Region' in Lamination PRO.

 
Got it and see where I made my mistake. I have just been using slide. Using the SW method removes more of the center to increase the outer part of the surrounding area of the diamond. Will give it a try next time I am in the shop. I knew it was possible but missed that step somehow. Very powerful program!

Thanks for the help.
 
I see the thickness which is the height and the length and I understand that ..when creating the feature ring do I use the with width as per segmentpro table suggest ... or is there a setting I missed in lamination pro?

When using lamination pro to make a southwest design after I cut out middle does it matter the saw kerf when I cut the other strips

Thanks
Anthony
 
- In LP go to File Options.
In that Options Box you can select your blade width. That is used by LP for all cuts. So yes it matters what the saw kerf is.
You also have the option to select your measurements in inches or metric.

In LP the export region setting is basically your segment (ring) height. So that setting would be the ring height in SP or WTP for the featured ring.
The Repeating Unit is your segment edge length or how wide you segment is.
 
- In LP go to File Options.
In that Options Box you can select your blade width. That is used by LP for all cuts. So yes it matters what the saw kerf is.
You also have the option to select your measurements in inches or metric.

In LP the export region setting is basically your segment (ring) height. So that setting would be the ring height in SP or WTP for the featured ring.
The Repeating Unit is your segment edge length or how wide you segment is.

mfisher .. thank you ..

ok so if i am laying out a 3 part lamination it tells me 1/2' top 1/4 middle 1/2' bottom .. i assume the thickness has to be what the ring thickness calls for in sp .. i am a measure twice cut once guy is the a place to make that setting ?
 
Although you can make your feature ring segments using hundreds of different methods, there is no simpler way of designing them than using Lamination PRO. The key is knowing the two important dimensions that you have to know before you start using Lamination PRO: the height and width of the feature ring segment.

REMEMBER: the Segment Edge Length from Segment PRO must be the same as the Repeating Unit from Lamination PRO and the thickness of the feature row must be the number that you use for the 'Export Region' in Lamination PRO.

Lloyd, using the south west you refer to cutting strips from the diamonds as though it is a long board, when it is individual pieces. What is the process to attach the diamonds together to cut strips? Isn’t the export region already at segment length? Can we use double side tape to connect the diamonds? Then cut the strips? I hope this makes sense.
 
The laminated board is a long board. You first make up your laminated board. You then make a first gen cut and glue the repeating usings back together to form the chevron long board. . From the long board you cut out the center (blue) sections. Then align the two strips to form the diamond a glue.

From the diamond strip you would cut the individual repeating pair (diamonds) blocks. The blocks with the diamond would need to be mitered cut to make the circle.
 
I have found it fastest and most accurate to keep everything in a long board until the final design has been made and then cut them into individual segments for cutting into angled segments to make a ring. So the process is this …

1. Follow all Lamination PRO instructions to build the final design shown in the Export Region. You will ALWAYS be making a chevron board and each board you make should be between 18” and 24” as this will make it easier to keep The aligment correct. Once the chevron board is don, make your long cuts as instructed and keep all of these strips in order, flipping when necessary for a SW design.

2. Make two rip cuts on the table saw to cutoff the ’ears’ leaving a long board(s) that has all of the segments with a board width that is the finished height of your feature ring.

3. Cut that board on your table saw or (better yet) on your miter saw. If you use a miter saw, make a sled made of two MDF boards about 18” long and 3-4” wide and glue them together to form an 18” ‘L’ that can be clamped to the fence. After clamping, make a sacrificial cut at 90 (or zero) degrees but make sure the blade depth is set so that the saw teeth cut no deeper than necessary to cut completely through the entire board.

4. To cut the segments, you cannot use a fence because if it is off by 1/32”, that error is increased by 1/32” with each additional cut. Now for the important part - each cut you make is going to make your segments ~1/8” shorter than you wanted and there are two ways to fi this. First, you can make your target SEL 1/8” more than the software specifies and we’ll get to the second option in a bit. To make your first cut on the long board, you need to cut 1/16 off each end of the board so that it will match what you do when you cut between the segments. After that first cut, move the board so that the joint between each segment is lined up in the center of the sacrificial cut you made first.

5. Take each of these segments and stand them up into their final orientation and if you put them all together, they should all be the identical height. If any are not, discard them.

6. Make the angled cuts. You can use either your wedgie sled or the miter sled you just used. A wedgie sled is a good choice in that you will get perfect angles whereas the miter saw will not be perfect. You’ll need to mount a clamp that clamps down on a segment to keep it place. Set a single stop and this stop will not be moved until all cuts have been made. Set the stop for a test and cut off the angle close but not so close that the angle cut cuts all the way though the board. Move the fence closer until you have 1/16” of a flat facet left. Flip the segment over, slide it against the stop and make the other angled cut. Now measure the face of that segment and it should be 1/8” shorter than you desired SEL. If you would have made the angled cuts to the front surface of the segment, the resulting ring would have been less than your desired outer dimension because of the saw kerfs that made the segments too narrow. Because you left the 1/16” facet, though, the SEL of the back edge of each segment is what it would have been if you started with a target that was increased by 1/8”.

I hope that helps.
Lloyd
 
The laminated board is a long board. You first make up your laminated board. You then make a first gen cut and glue the repeating usings back together to form the chevron long board. . From the long board you cut out the center (blue) sections. Then align the two strips to form the diamond a glue.

From the diamond strip you would cut the individual repeating pair (diamonds) blocks. The blocks with the diamond would need to be mitered cut to make the circle.
Would you glue the diamonds together to put the points along the fence to cut them off? That’s where I’m confused.
 
Here are a couple of pdf that Lloyd wrote some time ago. It should help with some of your questions.

If you mean the "points created at the top of the board when you put the repeating halves together to form the chevron, then yes, they go against the fence.
 

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The files that Mike uploaded will answer your questions, but for a direct answer, if you are making a diamond patter, you first make the chevron board and then cut out the center strip according to the directiona and then immediately glue the top over the bottom so that your board now displays a number of glued diamonds in that board. You then cut off the ears and continue with the instructions I provided to cut the board into segments.
 
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