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[mfisher]

Excellent. The new software should unleash the creative interest in segmented bowl turning. Seems each program the new and WTP has its place depending on the task at hand.

Think I will add it to my Christmas list.

 

[Art Bodwell]

Lloyd
You have been busy. All that talk about retirement, looks like you moved from one full time job to another. I assume this will work on the high definition screens like the Microsoft surface pro, including the printout information as I think you said. Certainly looks like game changing software for segmenters. With this and a wedgie sled all the mystery will be gone! See you in Boston.

 

[Lloyd Johnson]

Lloyd
You have been busy. All that talk about retirement, looks like you moved from one full time job to another. I assume this will work on the high definition screens like the Microsoft surface pro, including the printout information as I think you said. Certainly looks like game changing software for segmenters. With this and a wedgie sled all the mystery will be gone! See you in Boston.

Yes, not only will it run on a Surface Pro, it is completely touch enabled so no keyboard or mouse is required. However, since it has to run on PCs and perhaps old PCs, I've targeted a resolution of 1440 x 900 as a minimum size which is a pretty large until you compare it to a Surface PRO. There will be more work for me to do to get things to scale for the benefit of those using higher resolutions, but I'm now on a platform where that can be done. So you will be disappointed in the text size with the first release because it is all about making the graphics and trigonometry work correctly. Once I start selling it and start paying back the investment, I'll work on the look-and-feel. Since all the technologies in the new software are new to me, I've had to learn on the job and I've discovered I don't learn as fast as I did when I was 30. I'll get there as quickly as possible for you, though.

I always look forward to seeing you, Art. Both of my brothers will be with me, too.

Lloyd

 

[Glenn McCarron]

Glenn, Here is what I came up with converting it to a 24 segment open segment vessel. I'm thinking this might be a little more manageable. The next set is going to round up the wood. If I don't blow it up on the lathe I post it here when I get it done. If ou like it give it a try

Bob I didn't get a chance today to look at it but tomorrow I will for sure.

 

[Lloyd Johnson]

Another thing I've added to the software is my version Augmented Reality. This means that you can build your vessel in a 3D space that is already populated with items that will allow you to see the size of your vessel in relation to known items. For example, in the attached pictures, the bowl is build on top of a dining table with place settings. This will give you a better understanding of the relative size of your vessel when seen in a setting. You will be able to select from several augmented reality backdrops. I'll most likely create an art gallery, fireplace mantle, etc.
Lloyd

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Way to cool, Lloyd

 

[Glenn McCarron]

That's well and fine but can you put fruit in the bowl! (Not that a piece like that should be used as a fruit bowl, just saying).

Just poking fun, having that sense of scale is certainly another enhancement to the overall experience.

 

[Glenn McCarron]

Glenn, Here is what I came up with converting it to a 24 segment open segment vessel. I'm thinking this might be a little more manageable. The next set is going to round up the wood. If I don't blow it up on the lathe I post it here when I get it done. If ou like it give it a try

Bob thank you for posting your design. I like the proportions as well as the gentle shape with the slight flair at the top. The size is very close to what I had envisioned. The shape I would like to try is more of an ogee shape and a slightly bigger base. I attached a file as well but the basis is from the example that I downloaded from Lloyds examples. I may also go with closed segments if I can handle the tiny pieces for the rings. My sample trial has not been cut yet, hopefully today.

 

[stuart johnson]

Okay, who else tried to click and make a change on one of Lloyd's Southwest Design .jpgs?

 

[Glenn McCarron]

Okay, who else tried to click and make a change on one of Lloyd's Southwest Design .jpgs?

You certainly want to, can't wait to try the new program out!

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Bob thank you for posting your design. I like the proportions as well as the gentle shape with the slight flair at the top. The size is very close to what I had envisioned. The shape I would like to try is more of an ogee shape and a slightly bigger base. I attached a file as well but the basis is from the example that I downloaded from Lloyds examples. I may also go with closed segments if I can handle the tiny pieces for the rings. My sample trial has not been cut yet, hopefully today.

WOW that's 793 pieces, with some edge lengths less than a 1/4", I'd need my reading glasses for that one

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Glenn how would you even clamp up a ring, 1/4" thick, 1/4" edge length and maybe 1/2"wide?? A normal hose clamp I would thick would be to stiff and would not pull very symmetrically. The only way I see is using rubber bands and that would be tough with layers only 1/4" thick. I guess the solution is just using rub joints??
Glenn what's your plan? You have more experience than I do, I'm just guessing now!

 

[Glenn McCarron]

Bob, I guess those are all the reasons I want to try doing a test ring. I picked the lowest one thus smallest to give it a try. Keeping it round and flat will be key so I will experiment with the dry run. On Dennis Edwards site he has a little jig for doing 1/4 circles (on his Black & Gold.mov). His movies are worth watching if you haven't done so.

An open segmented one might be more forgiving, closed segment the tolerence is very slim and if you tried half circles and touched up on the disc sander it may impact on the design alignment. Just thinking here outloud. Hopefully anyone else that has tried these will jump in on the conversation.

 

[Lloyd Johnson]

Not trying to make a sales pitch in this thread, but it is a good time to let you know that I now have SegEasy plates for both 36 and 48 segment rings. In stock, I have th 9.25" diameter plates but have ordered 11.75" diameter plates that should be here soon. In my opinion, doing a project like this will be far simpler as an open segment project. In my work so far, l have found tha using Titebond Extend and no distractions will let you apply the glue to all 48 segments in a single process. However, there is no reason you can't apply glue to every other segment in one pass and the remainder of the segments after that.

 

[Glenn McCarron]

Thanks Lloyd for that info. Titebond Extend seems like the right product but finding it in Canada is difficult, adding on the shipping fees makes it too expensive. Rocker or Woodcraft will not ship it across the border either. (Amazon.ca wants $61.04 plus $5.54 shipping for a 16oz bottle, that is what I am up against).

I also do not do a lot of open segmented work and find it difficult to justify spending the money on the plates. They seem like an awesome product with the stomper though. Maybe in the future.

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Not trying to make a sales pitch in this thread, but it is a good time to let you know that I now have SegEasy plates for both 36 and 48 segment rings. In stock, I have th 9.25" diameter plates but have ordered 11.75" diameter plates that should be here soon. In my opinion, doing a project like this will be far simpler as an open segment project. In my work so far, l have found tha using Titebond Extend and no distractions will let you apply the glue to all 48 segments in a single process. However, there is no reason you can't apply glue to every other segment in one pass and the remainder of the segments after that.

Planning on buying so Seg-Easy plates in Boston, so you BETTER have some along.

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Thanks Lloyd for that info. Titebond Extend seems like the right product but finding it in Canada is difficult, adding on the shipping fees makes it too expensive. Rocker or Woodcraft will not ship it across the border either. (Amazon.ca wants $61.04 plus $5.54 shipping for a 16oz bottle, that is what I am up against).

I also do not do a lot of open segmented work and find it difficult to justify spending the money on the plates. They seem like an awesome product with the stomper though. Maybe in the future.

Glenn just bought a 18 segment seg-easy plate thru Lloyd and they are GREAT, Made my own stomper which is pretty easy. At the show in Boston hoping to buy a 24 and 48, this will at least save on shipping

 

[Glenn McCarron]

Good plan Bob, the shipping is bad enough but then the Canadian dollar throws in an extra 30%. Then if they ship via courier they stick you with a brokerage fee as well. I always try to get things sent via the postal service. Still pretty quick and saves a bit.

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Bob thank you for posting your design. I like the proportions as well as the gentle shape with the slight flair at the top. The size is very close to what I had envisioned. The shape I would like to try is more of an ogee shape and a slightly bigger base. I attached a file as well but the basis is from the example that I downloaded from Lloyds examples. I may also go with closed segments if I can handle the tiny pieces for the rings. My sample trial has not been cut yet, hopefully today.

OK, lets give this a try. I made some slight changes for a test. I changed everything to cherry except the top and bottom, I left them walnut. I'll start cutting ring by ring and let you know my progress. I will not be able to start tomorrow, our wood turning club has a meeting in the morning on ............wait for it............segmented bowls, then I have to see a friend and cut up a apple tree to make him some wine glass stems for his sons confirmation. But after that I should be able to start. Maybe we can work together and bounce problems and successes of each other.

 

[Bob Beaupre]

Thanks Lloyd for that info. Titebond Extend seems like the right product but finding it in Canada is difficult, adding on the shipping fees makes it too expensive. Rocker or Woodcraft will not ship it across the border either. (Amazon.ca wants $61.04 plus $5.54 shipping for a 16oz bottle, that is what I am up against).

I also do not do a lot of open segmented work and find it difficult to justify spending the money on the plates. They seem like an awesome product with the stomper though. Maybe in the future.

Glenn my local Woodcraft about 30 miles away has Titebond Extend 16oz bottle at $7.99 us. I could send you some up USPS, if you would like. DOn't know about the customs but we could check.