I made a huge screw up, I made a 48 segment per ring flower petal vase in SP, I printed the excel cut sheet and the species positioning charts for each ring, then made the eleven rings before I realized I had deleted the SP file for the vessel. Now I don't know how to stack the rings. I have tried to re-make the vessel and I used each ring species positioning chart to re-paint the rings in SP but it seems the paint screen does not correspond directly to the segment number in the species positioning chart. For example, I thought that the SP paint screen the far right segment for ring #2 would be the first segment, that is not correct apparently. I'm not sure how to proceed. Thanks, Bob
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I understand your frustration of deleting a file. Without the spreadsheet and I assume the ring pdf file it would be hard to give any advice on how to recreate the vessel in SP.
That said, you stated it is an eleven ring vase. If I read your comment correctly the 11 rings are built. You should know what is ring 1 (base), ring 2, etc. Could you not start stacking the rings and rotate the to get the petal pattern to emerge? One you have them in the correct alignment, mark down the outside of the rings to identify the alignment for the pattern. Then the gluing can begin.
When I compared the paint window rows and the ring pdf in an example I made they were the same.
in the Paint window segment 1 was the first segment on the left hand side of the window.
That said, you stated it is an eleven ring vase. If I read your comment correctly the 11 rings are built. You should know what is ring 1 (base), ring 2, etc. Could you not start stacking the rings and rotate the to get the petal pattern to emerge? One you have them in the correct alignment, mark down the outside of the rings to identify the alignment for the pattern. Then the gluing can begin.
When I compared the paint window rows and the ring pdf in an example I made they were the same.
in the Paint window segment 1 was the first segment on the left hand side of the window.
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Edward
PRO Member
I am also very new to segment turning. I have done 2 turnings thus far from Segment Pro, and have more in the planning stages.
I export the file to excel (cut list) and the PDF (ring layout), but once I made the rings, I would loose track of the top and bottom of each ring and where block #1 was, which would really mess up the design. So I started putting an "X" for block one, and an arrow indicating the top on the next block. It saved me some time stacking the rings and getting the design correct. I still have to get used to how the information on the Excel doc and the PDF but that will come with time.
Ed
I export the file to excel (cut list) and the PDF (ring layout), but once I made the rings, I would loose track of the top and bottom of each ring and where block #1 was, which would really mess up the design. So I started putting an "X" for block one, and an arrow indicating the top on the next block. It saved me some time stacking the rings and getting the design correct. I still have to get used to how the information on the Excel doc and the PDF but that will come with time.
Ed
Edward
PRO Member
The PDF, has all the pieces numbered so you can put the pieces in order for the design to work.
When aligning each ring:
Note: In the paint view, the base (ring #1) is not displayed and starts off with ring #2 displayed.
All #1 blocks in the odd number of rings are in-line vertically with the next odd ring as are the #1 blocks of the even number of rings are also in-line vertically, but when viewing the #1 block of the odd number of rings are staggered 1/2 a block to the left of the #1 block on the even rings. If the #1's are all staggered and the design does not look right, check the orientation of each ring to make sure the top is facing the top of the vessel and one did not get flipped in error.
Hope this helps and not as clear as muddy water so to speak.
Reporting back, thanks so much to Fisher and Bobby C, I recreated the design using your information, thanks so much. I think turning on the segment number in paint view should be a default option, my inattention to this feature is completely my fault. I hope to post a picture of the completed project in a week or so. Again, the help from the forums is greatly appreciated gents. Bob
Apollo1617
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I started marking segments with the row number myself. I'm new so it really helps.
Wayne Miller
PRO Member
Just curious.. why would you ever use Paduk. It turns brown so quickly you might as well use walnut.
I have used Paduk on many many bowls. I usually finish my pieces with General Finishes bowl finish. After 4 years all my paduk is still red but at some point it will fade. Keeping the pieces out of direct sunlight is a must. Attached are 2 four year old Paduk pieces
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Rwalker401
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Very interesting information, but it brings up something I have not been using, the ring PDF. I have not seen that and cold really use it. I use the Paint by copying and pasting into excel. Is there another way to print it? Thanks, always learning. Ron
when you select the Ring view in SP it creates a pdf file containing each of the rings. The file is placed in the MySegmentPro/Ringview folder.
It will open the pdf file in a reader in which you can select to print the ring view.
If you have not painted any segments the ringview will not be created.
Rwalker401
New Member
Got it. Thanks,
Another quick question if you do not mind. I just found and used Storyboard. I like the way it works, but I cannot understand how Paint and Storyboard work. I changed a vessel in SB but it did not change Paint. Is there a tutorial on SB?
Another quick question if you do not mind. I just found and used Storyboard. I like the way it works, but I cannot understand how Paint and Storyboard work. I changed a vessel in SB but it did not change Paint. Is there a tutorial on SB?
In Segment Pro.
- Paint is used for the Painted Segment Bowl
- Storyboard is used for Featured Ring Bowls.
Some "rules" SP follows:
- You cannot paint segments in a featured ring bowl
- You cannot add a featured ring to a painted segment bowl
(if you want to do the above, use WoodTurner Pro)
Using SP set your number of segments per ring before painting. If you change the number of segments after painting a design, it will throw off the summary sheet and most likely will not display the pattern properly.
Rwalker401
New Member
Thank you, that helps me a lot.
Ron
Ron
Ron,
Here is the link to all of the Tutorials regarding Segment PRO.
Make sure you watch all of the tutorials except the ones on Pricing and Quotations. I go to great lengths in the tutorials and give much more information than you can get using the forum.
They will also help you to use the new version of Segment PRO I am just getting ready to release called Turbo Segment PRO. It is a complete rewrite of Segment PRO making it far more powerful and easier to use. If you’d like, I’ll be glad to install it for you and give you some training on it. If you’d like to do that, make sure you have Zoom installed as I will need that to be able for you to share your screen with me.
Lloyd
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