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Segmented Pro question

Yes, Woodturner PRO calculates the volume in real-time just like it does in Segment PRO. You'll see the volume calculation at the bottom of the screen.

A bit of clarity as to why you can't transfer designs between SegPro and WTPro...
Woodturner PRO keeps all details of every row in the file that is saved to the disk. This is what makes the software so flexible in that you are in charge of everything that happens. SegPro, on the other hand, is a rules-based piece of software that does not need to keep track of details by row because the design consists of a Profile with a specific height and the software follows its rules to construct the vessel for you. You are in control of setting the defaults the software uses but beyond that, the software is in charge and that is what makes SegPro so fast and easy to use.

Because the two programs are night and day different, it isn't possible to transfer designs between them. The key is to made the decision before you start as to whether the bowl you are going to design is a 'standard' segmented bowl or a non-standard project where you want to vary details down to the segment level. If it will be 'standard', SegPro will let you design it in far less time than it would take with WTPro. If it is non-standard, WTPro is your only option but it gives you a complete suite of capabilities that far exceeds SegPro.

If you design a Feature Ring in Lamination PRO, that design can be imported into either SegPro (as a species using the 'Export Image' button), or directly into WTPro by first selecting the target row by double-clicking the row and then click the Export to Woodturner PRO button in Lamination PRO and follow the instructions. This is very simple.

I hope that helps.

Lloyd
Thanks Lloyd for the correction.
My memory at time fails. For some reason I thought WTP did not give volume. I should have checked before posting.
 
In WTPro, the row height is referred to as 'Board Thickness' in the left column. Select the row you want by double-clicking it at which time you'll see a blue border around the entire row. Change the Thickness, Number of Segments and you'll see your design change in real time.

Go to this tutorials link (if you haven't already been there):

Watch the tutorial - Introduction to 3D Design PRO. You can use the 'Tools > Background Image > Add' feature to import an image of an urn you like using a Google Search for Cremation Urns and then clicking on the Images link. Select the one you like and save it from your browser to your desktop and then import it as a background image as it shows in the tutorial. Then transfer it to WTPro and specify the height you want it to be.

Follow the instructions in the video, including drawing both the outside and inside wall profiles. When you finish, transfer it to WTPro and specify the height. If you later want to change the height, transfer it again and give a new height and it will replace the first profile.

You'll see that this is all very simple after you've done it once or twice. Then just add your rows and click the Profile SNAP button and let the magic happen.

Mike is a true expert at WTPro and he probably knows more about it than I do. :->

Lloyd
 
Jim
Not sure how comfortable you are on pc's. I can't draw much either so I try and use existing profiles. Here is one way I get things into WTP
If you have a graphic program like IrfanView (its free). Title: IrfanView - Official Homepage - One of the Most Popular Viewers Worldwide

- Have your project up and running in SP.
- Have your graphic program up an running
- In SP do a PrtSc
- bring up your graphic program and do a ctrl v (paste command).
- crop out the profile image from SP and save it to your pc as a jpg file.
- Start up 3DDesign pro and bring in the image from SP as a background image.
- trace your outline and save the profile
- start up WTP
- transfer the profile from 3DDesign to WTP
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Thank you. I have the profile in WTP and I am building the urn. How do I import the featured ring as a species into WTP? I do not see anywhere to do this. I copied the species (featured ring) from SP to my desktop. Not sure what to do next. ???
 
Thank you. I have the profile in WTP and I am building the urn. How do I import the featured ring as a species into WTP? I do not see anywhere to do this. I copied the species (featured ring) from SP to my desktop. Not sure what to do next. ???
This is going to be a multi post response.

I have found it helpful to not try and compare WTP and SP and how you use them.
WTP was Lloyd's first software program to assist turners in designing segmented vessels.
In WTP you have complete control of each ring.

Think of your Featured ring as a custom wood species. For the software to represent the wood it displays image files (jpg). So what we need is a jpg file of a single segment of the featured ring.

Woodturner PRO allows you to add your own custom species as you have found by clicking File > Options > Custom Species. Click the Path box and brows you any image file, regardless of size, and simply give it a name and this will be permanently added to the drop-down species list. The list is generated by the software at run-time and so the list itself is not editable.

This is an easy process. You stated in an earlier post you developed the featured ring in Lamination Pro. Hopefully you saved that file.
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- Start up Lamination Pro (LP) and Wood Turner Pro (WTP). Both programs need to be running on your PC. You should have icons of the software in your lower task bar.
- Bring up LP and open your featured ring file.
- In LP note the red square. That is the export region for exporting an image out of LP.
- Set the Export Region height to whatever your featured ring is. In this example it will be 1.25 inches.
- I also checked the Shift Export Region by 1 strip. That moves the red rectangle 1 strip over.

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- In your windows task bar click on WTP and bring up the program.
- Double click on your featured ring row so a blue box outlines it.
- In the windows task bar click on LP and bring the program up.

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- In LP click on Export to WoodTurnerPro.
- you should notice the WTP icon in the task bar is flashing
- open up WTP by clicking on the icon
- fill in the Species box with: the name of the featured ring, set width to 1 inch and height to what your featured ring is
- check stretch to fit segment and hit ok.
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'- In WTP is you click on any segment you should get a red box around that segment
- if you right click while the segment is still outlined you will get pop up box listing all the wood species in WTP
I named the zig zag "Test LP import." which shows up on the list. It is now part of list of species and can be used elsewhere or on other WTP projects.


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If I had selected Export Image in LP instead of export to WTP, a pop up box would ask for you to name the image file. The default location would be MyLaminationPro folder in windows.

If that is what you do then you would have to do the File > Options > Custom Species as explained in post 25.

Hopefully this helps and solves your design problem.
 
Thank you very much for all your help and patience! When I was trying to import the feature ring I was not clicking on the bitmap option so I could not search for the image. I finally figured it out. Here is my design. The top disk of walnut is actually the lid. How does it look? See anything that needs fixing? Also, why is the second thin ring under the feature all checkered?
You have been a great help. Thank you!!!
 

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Thank you very much for all your help and patience! When I was trying to import the feature ring I was not clicking on the bitmap option so I could not search for the image. I finally figured it out. Here is my design. The top disk of walnut is actually the lid. How does it look? See anything that needs fixing? Also, why is the second thin ring under the feature all checkered?
You have been a great help. Thank you!!!

Nice design. It will make a fine urn.

If you don't mind please post your WTP file. I can take a look at wall thickness and what is causing the red checkerboarding below the featured ring. That may be caused by a ring having a zero inside diameter. Without your project file it is hard to tell exactly what is going on. Nothing fatal.
 
I wasn't paying much attention to inner diameter and that ring had an inner larger than the outer diameter. I fixed it. It's depressing how the brain slows down with age. After doing this (with your and Lloyd's help) I have a better understanding and confidence to successfully use this software. :)
 
I wasn't paying much attention to inner diameter and that ring had an inner larger than the outer diameter. I fixed it. It's depressing how the brain slows down with age. After doing this (with your and Lloyd's help) I have a better understanding and confidence to successfully use this software. :)

Glad you fixed it. One of the most important view in WTP is the Cutaway view. It gives you a good look at the gluing surface between rings and the wall thickness.

If you have not discovered it go to View / Show Glue line. WTP calculates and displays how much surface between rings is being glued.

One thing to keep in mind is to build slightly larger rings in outside diameter and width. This allows for some forgiveness in centering the rings. If your off a bit, you can turn down to the final diameter.

I generally do two summary cut sheets. One with a 1/4" buffer that is used to cut materials to dimension and segment edge length.
The second one is where I snapped the rings to the profile, That sheet gives me the Outside diameter of each ring when turned on the lathe.

Enjoy doing the project.
 
How do you do those 2 summary sheets you described?
What is the minimum glue line for each ring? *Best practices
Thanks
 
How do you do those 2 summary sheets you described?
What is the minimum glue line for each ring? *Best practices
Thanks

In WTP I develop my plan with the 1/8 to 1/4 buffer. I name it something like zigzag cutlist. Save it. Print the Summary
Then I will do a snap to profile and do a save as the project with a name like zigzag profile. SAVE AS and different file name produces its own file. Then print the summary.
Snap to profile needs to have the profile imported from 3DDesign.

I can't really give you a best practice on how much of a glue surface. You need the segment (ring) to be wide enough to incorporate the profile you are making, how good of a turner you are. You can have a large glue surface between rings at first. That glue surface will be reduced when you turn the vessel.

I have created vessels that ended up with 1/8 inch glue service when finish. It was a very thin vase. I have other bowls that have 1/4 to 1/2 inch wall thickness and glue surface when finished.
 
Here is an example First image is a cutaway showing the glue surface. I would use the summary for the cutlist. (accoma cutlist)

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This is the same project snapped to profile. This summary would be used to help guide and check diameters when turning. Many turnings I may only check OD on a few places. Bottom, middle top. for example

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I'm thinking final wall thickness would be 1/4-3/8. I just thought that the glue areas need to be bigger when gluing so it is stronger when turning. I have mine about 1/2". Should I make my pieces bigger?
After a lot of tweaking with wall thickness and diameters I do not think my profile in 3d pro would work.
What does the 1/8 to 1/4 buffer do and how do you set that up?
 

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I'm thinking final wall thickness would be 1/4-3/8. I just thought that the glue areas need to be bigger when gluing so it is stronger when turning. I have mine about 1/2". Should I make my pieces bigger?
After a lot of tweaking with wall thickness and diameters I do not think my profile in 3d pro would work.
What does the 1/8 to 1/4 buffer do and how do you set that up?
Jim.
Please go back and review the tutorials Lloyd has made for 3DDesign and WTP.

When you have 3DDesign and WTP both up and running. When you are still in 3DDesign and clicked on transfer to WTP, you should have been transferred to WTP with a pop up box asking YOU to fill in the height of the bowl or the width of the bowl.. That completes the transfer and establishes the profile to an exact size for the vessel to be built.

3DDesign is just a profile program. It has no dimension.
The left edge of the 2D Edit window is the centerline of the lathe. In the 2D Edit window, you will create one the wall profile that will represent your woodturning. A wall profile is simply a contiguous string of points that can either be open or closed. Only when the wall profile is closed is the drawing considered to be complete with all points being rendered in 3D in the 3D Preview window.

You basically draw 1/2 of the vessel profile.

At this time looking at your WTP file. It does not come close to looking like the image you posted in post 32.

You seem to be new to the software. How much turning experience do you have? Have you built segmented vessels before?
 
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