Seg easy plates

Gary88

PRO Member
I recently purchased a 24 seg plate. When I glue up a row and let the glue dry for 24 hrs a couple of pieces always seem to hang up in the plate and I have to reglue and wait another 24 hrs. Would anyone have suggestions on how to prevent this?
 

mfisher

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Are you getting glue squeeze out on the segeasy plates?

Most open segment builders in our shop only wait about 30 minutes between layers. They build a few layers then let set overnight with weight on the vessel.

You could try removing the ring sooner and see what happens.
 

Gary88

PRO Member
No glue squeeze out. I thought about using wax. But I hated to get any on the wood prior to finishing
 

mfisher

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The amount of wax used should not impact your finishing. The vessel is going to sanded.
I use a paste wax on my cutting sleds and other fixtures.
 

Lloyd Johnson

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My first suggestion is to make sure you are not forcing the segments to the center. This makes the segments hard to remove from the plate. Simply slide it towards the center until it hits resistance and then stop.

My second suggestion deals with how to remove the turning from the plate after gluing. Take a small screwdriver and slide it along the top of the plastic gap between two segments. Once it is underneath the turning, raise the butt end of the screwdriver to SLIGHTLY pry the turning off the plate. Rotate the turning by 90 degrees and repeat. Continue doing this until the turning comes off the plate. Once you start doing this, all segments should stay attached to the turning. I do this with every ring and have had 100% success ever since.

My last suggestion is that you can lightly spray a plate with a silicon lubricant spray which will help release the segments, but if you do the first two suggestions, you shouldn’t need any lubricant.

Lloyd
 
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Gary88

PRO Member
Thanks for the suggestions Lloyd. I have purposely tried to leave the segments loose in the seg plate. I'll try the screwdriver idea.
 

Lloyd Johnson

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The screwdriver idea sounds like a screwy idea, but it simply works and I'm not sure why it works. I suspect it might because it forces the segments to be lifted up perfectly straight where lifting it manually does not insure perfection.

I'll be anxious to hear your results, but I'm confident I know what I'll hear.
 

Gary88

PRO Member
The silicon lubricant did the trick. Didn't need the screwdriver. As soon as I took the weight off the stomper, the bowl lifted up.
 

Lloyd Johnson

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That’s great! That means I’m one-in-a-row. :->

Keep the screwdriver trick in mind for those times when you don’t have silicon spray. It will work just as well.

Thanks for posting!
Lloyd
 

Green_Dragon

New Member
The silicon lubricant did the trick. Didn't need the screwdriver. As soon as I took the weight off the stomper, the bowl lifted up.
I use titebond glue and only let my layers set for 15-20 minutes before gently prying the assembly up with a small screwdriver. I like to clean the open area between segment with a damp pipe cleaner and small screwdriver before it hardens. If your glue squeeze out isn't cleaned up it will show a white spot in your finish. I have found when I have had to remove an out of location segment the glue holds so well the wood tares. I then have to use a chisel and sand paper to clean the area before replace the segment. I would be careful about using any kind of silicon around wood. Silicon can cause fisheyes in your finish which is very difficult to get out of your wood. If you need to lubricate any wood working tools wax is a better solution.
 

Lloyd Johnson

Administrator
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I certainly agree with Green_Dragon about the concern of a lubricant causing finishing interference, but since both the outside and inside diameters will be turned away, so will trace amounts of the lubricant from those surfaces. The bottom of the segment is glued side-grain to side-grain and will never be touched with a finish. The only place the lubricant comes into play is the angled cuts of the segment and this is all (mostly) end grain where finishing is, well, que sera sera.

I always spray a new plate with a single coating of silicon and then use the screwdriver technique for every ring after that. The combination works well for me but like baking a cake, your experience may vary so find what works well for you.
 
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